Comments on: “Grog on the river” – Quote of the (indefinite period of time) http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/ a linguist without a language Mon, 28 Nov 2011 10:47:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: More white exceptions to grog bans « matjjin-nehen http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-438 More white exceptions to grog bans « matjjin-nehen Wed, 10 Oct 2007 00:53:59 +0000 http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/#comment-438 [...] result back then was the concession that recreation fishermen-or-women would be allowed to drink alcohol on a boat on a river within the confines of aboriginal land (roughly speaking), [...] [...] result back then was the concession that recreation fishermen-or-women would be allowed to drink alcohol on a boat on a river within the confines of aboriginal land (roughly speaking), [...]

]]> By: Hooch http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-427 Hooch Mon, 13 Aug 2007 01:45:56 +0000 http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/#comment-427 Totally irrelevant to your post (sorry) but just spoke to Glen, and he says he might drop in on you on Friday. Just thought I'd let you know. Totally irrelevant to your post (sorry) but just spoke to Glen, and he says he might drop in on you on Friday. Just thought I’d let you know.

]]> By: Michael http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-429 Michael Thu, 09 Aug 2007 13:20:59 +0000 http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/#comment-429 Addiction treatment services in communities might be helpful. Of the $500 mill the Fed Govt is spending, there is a couple of million for outreach services. Addiction treatment services in communities might be helpful.

Of the $500 mill the Fed Govt is spending, there is a couple of million for outreach services.

]]> By: Jangari http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-428 Jangari Thu, 09 Aug 2007 12:11:48 +0000 http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/#comment-428 I really did burst out laughing on reading that last bit, Gagu! Exactly right though, there's no way to make the laws differentiate those whom they want to restrict from drinking and the rest, that is, no way that is ethical <i>or</i> legal. We all know prohibition doesn't work (in most cases; self-imposed alcohol restrictions appear to be working to a degree), so surely <i>ethnically selective</i> prohibition is destined to be a dismal failure, especially when there isn't a neat one-to-one correlation between alcohol and ethnicity, far from it. The only sure-fire way to combat alcohol abuse in my opinion, is to reduce the demand. By restricting supply (by prohibition), blackmarkets (grog-runners) take over, and they will always find ways around any prohibitive measures, such is their industry. The question then becomes how to reduce demand and why such large demand exists in the first place. Well, that's a massive social issue, one that is easily thrown into the too-hard basket. I really did burst out laughing on reading that last bit, Gagu!

Exactly right though, there’s no way to make the laws differentiate those whom they want to restrict from drinking and the rest, that is, no way that is ethical or legal. We all know prohibition doesn’t work (in most cases; self-imposed alcohol restrictions appear to be working to a degree), so surely ethnically selective prohibition is destined to be a dismal failure, especially when there isn’t a neat one-to-one correlation between alcohol and ethnicity, far from it.

The only sure-fire way to combat alcohol abuse in my opinion, is to reduce the demand. By restricting supply (by prohibition), blackmarkets (grog-runners) take over, and they will always find ways around any prohibitive measures, such is their industry. The question then becomes how to reduce demand and why such large demand exists in the first place. Well, that’s a massive social issue, one that is easily thrown into the too-hard basket.

]]> By: wamut http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-431 wamut Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:13:17 +0000 http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/#comment-431 maybe boat ownership and boat travel will now be tied to centrelink payments! maybe boat ownership and boat travel will now be tied to centrelink payments!

]]> By: wamut http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-430 wamut Thu, 09 Aug 2007 11:12:25 +0000 http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/#comment-430 another crazy thing... does john howard think that no Aboriginal people in communities own boats? isn't this exemption then making it possible to anyone, black or white, to get in their boat and sink piss? which, here in Ngukurr, would actually give Aboriginal ppl more opportunity to drink than they have now! another crazy thing… does john howard think that no Aboriginal people in communities own boats?

isn’t this exemption then making it possible to anyone, black or white, to get in their boat and sink piss? which, here in Ngukurr, would actually give Aboriginal ppl more opportunity to drink than they have now!

]]> By: Michael http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-435 Michael Thu, 09 Aug 2007 09:56:57 +0000 http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/#comment-435 I beleive that it is not. I beleive that it is not.

]]> By: Jangari http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-434 Jangari Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:21:09 +0000 http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/#comment-434 You're welcome Bruce. And yes, the fact that they're willing to pander to a relatively small but vocal group in NT recreational fishermen, indicates that much of the policies are about popularity. I honestly think Howard knows he's on the way out and wants to be able to say 'Well, at least I had a crack at something really worthwhile.' Right Wamut, and the self-imposed restrictions work moderately well. Why wouldn't the government actually talk to community organisations to learn what they're doing that's working, instead of insisting on trumping them the whole time? Oh wait, I understand. An election is due in (probably) November, and community consultation takes too long. By the way, does anyone know if it's as illegal to drink while operating a boat as it is while driving a car in the Territory? You’re welcome Bruce. And yes, the fact that they’re willing to pander to a relatively small but vocal group in NT recreational fishermen, indicates that much of the policies are about popularity. I honestly think Howard knows he’s on the way out and wants to be able to say ‘Well, at least I had a crack at something really worthwhile.’

Right Wamut, and the self-imposed restrictions work moderately well. Why wouldn’t the government actually talk to community organisations to learn what they’re doing that’s working, instead of insisting on trumping them the whole time? Oh wait, I understand. An election is due in (probably) November, and community consultation takes too long.

By the way, does anyone know if it’s as illegal to drink while operating a boat as it is while driving a car in the Territory?

]]> By: Michael http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-433 Michael Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:00:55 +0000 http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/#comment-433 Expect to see more boating accidents as people take to their tinnies so can have their green can tinnies. Expect to see more boating accidents as people take to their tinnies so can have their green can tinnies.

]]> By: Wamut http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-432 Wamut Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:46:03 +0000 http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/08/07/grog-on-the-river-quote-of-the-indefinite-period-of-time/#comment-432 Yes the whole thing is silly. The govt is banning grog from those who already impose on themselves the toughest alcohol restrictions in the country. But there's no addressing of the river of grog that flows from the NTs small towns and regional centres because the government wouldn't dare take grog out of the white man's hand or take profits out of the white man's hand. The flaws and prejudices in the govts actions are so deep I don't even know where to start. Yes the whole thing is silly. The govt is banning grog from those who already impose on themselves the toughest alcohol restrictions in the country. But there’s no addressing of the river of grog that flows from the NTs small towns and regional centres because the government wouldn’t dare take grog out of the white man’s hand or take profits out of the white man’s hand.

The flaws and prejudices in the govts actions are so deep I don’t even know where to start.

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