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		<title>By: Jangari</title>
		<link>http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/07/26/sorry-day/comment-page-1/#comment-417</link>
		<dc:creator>Jangari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 08:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah Wamut, I can empathise with that. I&#039;m not exactly there yet, but I&#039;m used to not hearing a name attached to news of a death.

Anglo-Australian media reports sort of seem... abrupt?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Wamut, I can empathise with that. I&#8217;m not exactly there yet, but I&#8217;m used to not hearing a name attached to news of a death.</p>
<p>Anglo-Australian media reports sort of seem&#8230; abrupt?</p>
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		<title>By: Wamut</title>
		<link>http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/07/26/sorry-day/comment-page-1/#comment-418</link>
		<dc:creator>Wamut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 03:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This might sound a bit silly but after being so used to the conventions surrounding recently deceased at Ngukurr, I now actually find it a bit strange when on the nightly news they report that someone famous has died and their name and pictures are flashed up everywhere... sometimes I momentarily forget that that&#039;s how the rest of the country works!  I think it&#039;s kinda nice n respectful to have to skirt around naming and depicting ppl who have just passed away... it&#039;s a nice implicit acknowledgement of their importance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This might sound a bit silly but after being so used to the conventions surrounding recently deceased at Ngukurr, I now actually find it a bit strange when on the nightly news they report that someone famous has died and their name and pictures are flashed up everywhere&#8230; sometimes I momentarily forget that that&#8217;s how the rest of the country works!  I think it&#8217;s kinda nice n respectful to have to skirt around naming and depicting ppl who have just passed away&#8230; it&#8217;s a nice implicit acknowledgement of their importance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jangari</title>
		<link>http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/07/26/sorry-day/comment-page-1/#comment-419</link>
		<dc:creator>Jangari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 00:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MrsChili, the sorry day/sorry business is only a small portion of the process. For some time (usually indeterminate) after a death, their traditional name is not permitted to be spoken, their photo, or footage of them unable to be viewed and recordings of their voice unable to be audited. Traditionally, the widow is bound by a mourning curse such that she cannot speak, until the eldest son, or someone else close to the deceased, releases the curse, though I think the last part isn&#039;t observed much anymore.

Some language groups/clans have a dummy name that is used to refer to someone whose name is bound by a curse. Otherwise they use relative terms like &#039;my cousin&#039; (remember that everyone in a community has a first-order kin relationship to everyone else) or they might skirt around the naming of the individual by using other terms, like &#039;that old man, the one from that country&#039;, and so on.

It&#039;s a fascinating aspect of culture and I&#039;m particularly interested in its marriage with Anglo-Australian culture. I think only now are news media beginning to observe these cultural norms. In a recent case, a famous singer/songwriter from Elcho Island died, and was referred to in the media by &lt;i&gt;George R&lt;/i&gt;, before the family decided on a name that they could use. So thereafter he was referred to as &lt;i&gt;George Burrarrawanga&lt;/i&gt;, the name of his clan, I believe. I was shocked then, to hear on ABC news a few days later, his full aboriginal name (I won&#039;t repeat it here). But at the end of the report it became clear that in his will, he gave express permission for his name to be used on the day of his funeral only. But they appear to have left his name on the ABC website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MrsChili, the sorry day/sorry business is only a small portion of the process. For some time (usually indeterminate) after a death, their traditional name is not permitted to be spoken, their photo, or footage of them unable to be viewed and recordings of their voice unable to be audited. Traditionally, the widow is bound by a mourning curse such that she cannot speak, until the eldest son, or someone else close to the deceased, releases the curse, though I think the last part isn&#8217;t observed much anymore.</p>
<p>Some language groups/clans have a dummy name that is used to refer to someone whose name is bound by a curse. Otherwise they use relative terms like &#8216;my cousin&#8217; (remember that everyone in a community has a first-order kin relationship to everyone else) or they might skirt around the naming of the individual by using other terms, like &#8216;that old man, the one from that country&#8217;, and so on.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a fascinating aspect of culture and I&#8217;m particularly interested in its marriage with Anglo-Australian culture. I think only now are news media beginning to observe these cultural norms. In a recent case, a famous singer/songwriter from Elcho Island died, and was referred to in the media by <i>George R</i>, before the family decided on a name that they could use. So thereafter he was referred to as <i>George Burrarrawanga</i>, the name of his clan, I believe. I was shocked then, to hear on ABC news a few days later, his full aboriginal name (I won&#8217;t repeat it here). But at the end of the report it became clear that in his will, he gave express permission for his name to be used on the day of his funeral only. But they appear to have left his name on the ABC website.</p>
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		<title>By: mrschili</title>
		<link>http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/07/26/sorry-day/comment-page-1/#comment-421</link>
		<dc:creator>mrschili</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 12:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think this is a part of your job that would fascinate me the most: how we take similar experiences (everyone experiences death at some point or another) and interpret the appropriate means of recognizing those experiences - and how those recognitions are expressed in language.  The act of sitting shiva, for example, or the Irish wake traditions, and how we talk about the dead and our relationships to them.  Thanks for this story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is a part of your job that would fascinate me the most: how we take similar experiences (everyone experiences death at some point or another) and interpret the appropriate means of recognizing those experiences &#8211; and how those recognitions are expressed in language.  The act of sitting shiva, for example, or the Irish wake traditions, and how we talk about the dead and our relationships to them.  Thanks for this story.</p>
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		<title>By: Jangari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jangari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jul 2007 03:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that&#039;s quite a blow.

I suspect that was the first of the two sorry days here this week as there&#039;s a substantial population of Jawoyn people. Though very few of them, if any, could be considered speakers. Ironically, one of the best Jawoyn speakers around here is a balanda. I thought he was full of it - a whitefella thinking he was a blackfella - but since I&#039;ve been speaking to him a lot recently, I think he&#039;s genuine.

And a correction, the second death actually occurred two weeks ago but the news only arrived here on thursday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that&#8217;s quite a blow.</p>
<p>I suspect that was the first of the two sorry days here this week as there&#8217;s a substantial population of Jawoyn people. Though very few of them, if any, could be considered speakers. Ironically, one of the best Jawoyn speakers around here is a balanda. I thought he was full of it &#8211; a whitefella thinking he was a blackfella &#8211; but since I&#8217;ve been speaking to him a lot recently, I think he&#8217;s genuine.</p>
<p>And a correction, the second death actually occurred two weeks ago but the news only arrived here on thursday.</p>
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		<title>By: bulanjdjan</title>
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		<dc:creator>bulanjdjan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s been a lot of sorry days around Katherine lately. Well, from my largely external perspective, anyway.

Perhaps the most significant from a linguist&#039;s point of view is the death of the last identified fluent speaker of Jawoyn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s been a lot of sorry days around Katherine lately. Well, from my largely external perspective, anyway.</p>
<p>Perhaps the most significant from a linguist&#8217;s point of view is the death of the last identified fluent speaker of Jawoyn.</p>
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