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	<title>Comments on: McArthur River Bill Passes 17 to 5 (Updated)</title>
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		<title>By: &#8220;With the Greatest Respect&#8221; &#171; matjjin-nehen</title>
		<link>http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/05/04/mcarthur-river-bill-passes-17-to-5/comment-page-1/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;With the Greatest Respect&#8221; &#171; matjjin-nehen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 06:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] if it weren&#8217;t bad enough that the bill was passed almost unanimously, the only dissenters being the indigenous Labor and independent MLAs (an indigenous opposition [...]</description>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
		<link>http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/05/04/mcarthur-river-bill-passes-17-to-5/comment-page-1/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 12:35:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you deal with that Jangari?

Obviously, it is good to keep SOME &quot;mum-and-dad investors&quot;, in the loop.

Some just stick their money/super into banks and shares etc and are very supportive of indigenous issues but may have shares in Xstrata and Gunns and would not even know about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do you deal with that Jangari?</p>
<p>Obviously, it is good to keep SOME &#8220;mum-and-dad investors&#8221;, in the loop.</p>
<p>Some just stick their money/super into banks and shares etc and are very supportive of indigenous issues but may have shares in Xstrata and Gunns and would not even know about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jangari</title>
		<link>http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/05/04/mcarthur-river-bill-passes-17-to-5/comment-page-1/#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>Jangari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 23:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dang, I thought I replied to this yesterday. Wordpress must be having a Blogger moment!

It would be slightly more equitable if not only shareholders but &lt;i&gt;stake&lt;/i&gt;holders were given a say in such decisions, especially since they stand to lose an awful lot more than money.

I know it&#039;s near impossible to implement or manage, but the (I hate using Howardian phrases like this) mum-and-dad investors can only lose their invested capital, which would be a shame for them, but that&#039;s the capitalist game. The Kurdanji may lose part of their traditional land, their river, their Rainbow Serpent dreaming, their culture, but probably more importantly, their sovereignty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dang, I thought I replied to this yesterday. WordPress must be having a Blogger moment!</p>
<p>It would be slightly more equitable if not only shareholders but <i>stake</i>holders were given a say in such decisions, especially since they stand to lose an awful lot more than money.</p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s near impossible to implement or manage, but the (I hate using Howardian phrases like this) mum-and-dad investors can only lose their invested capital, which would be a shame for them, but that&#8217;s the capitalist game. The Kurdanji may lose part of their traditional land, their river, their Rainbow Serpent dreaming, their culture, but probably more importantly, their sovereignty.</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
		<link>http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/05/04/mcarthur-river-bill-passes-17-to-5/comment-page-1/#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2007 02:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jangari,the party system tends to work against democracy, as you suggest. Large companies, of the environment destroying kind, are another hindrance.

Somehow, shareholders are allowed extra votes, than us, or they will pull up their bucks and, supposedly, goodbye to all those jobs. It is the same tactic that Xstrata and Gunns used in these two despicable cases.

Methinks, we are following Nauru in becoming a large, wasted, pit. The McArthur River and the Kurdanji peoples&#039; home is likely to be stuffed, for no other reason than pure greed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jangari,the party system tends to work against democracy, as you suggest. Large companies, of the environment destroying kind, are another hindrance.</p>
<p>Somehow, shareholders are allowed extra votes, than us, or they will pull up their bucks and, supposedly, goodbye to all those jobs. It is the same tactic that Xstrata and Gunns used in these two despicable cases.</p>
<p>Methinks, we are following Nauru in becoming a large, wasted, pit. The McArthur River and the Kurdanji peoples&#8217; home is likely to be stuffed, for no other reason than pure greed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jangari</title>
		<link>http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/05/04/mcarthur-river-bill-passes-17-to-5/comment-page-1/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>Jangari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 06:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s unfortunately way too much toeing of the party line going on. Parliamentarians should be encouraged to cross the floor if they find the legislation to be bad in some respect. To an extent of course, I mean, when we elect a party in any given seat, we have a reasonable expectation that they represent the policy of that party right? You can&#039;t put every matter to a conscience vote.

I&#039;m tempted to say that the whole Gunns matter is disgraceful, but I don&#039;t know enough about the legal thing, only that Gunns were recently given the go-ahead to commence legal proceedings. But the pulp mill is an absolutely horrendous policy.

This is why I vote Green (well, that, and the fact that Labor put next to no effort into the blue-ribbon Liberal seat in which I reside).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s unfortunately way too much toeing of the party line going on. Parliamentarians should be encouraged to cross the floor if they find the legislation to be bad in some respect. To an extent of course, I mean, when we elect a party in any given seat, we have a reasonable expectation that they represent the policy of that party right? You can&#8217;t put every matter to a conscience vote.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m tempted to say that the whole Gunns matter is disgraceful, but I don&#8217;t know enough about the legal thing, only that Gunns were recently given the go-ahead to commence legal proceedings. But the pulp mill is an absolutely horrendous policy.</p>
<p>This is why I vote Green (well, that, and the fact that Labor put next to no effort into the blue-ribbon Liberal seat in which I reside).</p>
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		<title>By: Wamut</title>
		<link>http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/05/04/mcarthur-river-bill-passes-17-to-5/comment-page-1/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Wamut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 05:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Labor can&#039;t chuck them out.  If you take Barb McCarthy, there&#039;s no way Labor would expect to vote for it considering she&#039;s from Borroloola.  Also, it would be silly for Labor to chuck out MP who poll at 80% at electiontime.

The question that I&#039;m wondering is, is why other Aboriginal MPs *didn&#039;t* cross the floor : Marion Scrymgour and Elliot McAdam...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labor can&#8217;t chuck them out.  If you take Barb McCarthy, there&#8217;s no way Labor would expect to vote for it considering she&#8217;s from Borroloola.  Also, it would be silly for Labor to chuck out MP who poll at 80% at electiontime.</p>
<p>The question that I&#8217;m wondering is, is why other Aboriginal MPs *didn&#8217;t* cross the floor : Marion Scrymgour and Elliot McAdam&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
		<link>http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/05/04/mcarthur-river-bill-passes-17-to-5/comment-page-1/#comment-228</link>
		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 08:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe it was the pulp mill that Gunns are trying to force on the population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it was the pulp mill that Gunns are trying to force on the population.</p>
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		<title>By: Jangari</title>
		<link>http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/05/04/mcarthur-river-bill-passes-17-to-5/comment-page-1/#comment-227</link>
		<dc:creator>Jangari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 08:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really?

Doesn&#039;t Paul Lennon realise that that&#039;s what, ahem, &lt;i&gt;democracy&lt;/i&gt; is?! Lennon shits me. I hold him partly responsible for the logging of old-growth forests in Tasmania and the loss of two of the four federal seats, because he has a morbid fear of The Greens.

What was the issue this time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really?</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t Paul Lennon realise that that&#8217;s what, ahem, <i>democracy</i> is?! Lennon shits me. I hold him partly responsible for the logging of old-growth forests in Tasmania and the loss of two of the four federal seats, because he has a morbid fear of The Greens.</p>
<p>What was the issue this time?</p>
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		<title>By: joe2</title>
		<link>http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/05/04/mcarthur-river-bill-passes-17-to-5/comment-page-1/#comment-226</link>
		<dc:creator>joe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 08:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The only people to vote against this Bill - which heralds the return to European domination of indigenous peoples through the courts¹ - were two independents and three indigenous Labor MLAs&quot;.

Jangari, this decision is so crazy. Will the ALP expel the three indigenous MLAs who crossed the floor? That is how it usually works with labor. An a.l.p upper house member copped that, in tassie, recently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The only people to vote against this Bill &#8211; which heralds the return to European domination of indigenous peoples through the courts¹ &#8211; were two independents and three indigenous Labor MLAs&#8221;.</p>
<p>Jangari, this decision is so crazy. Will the ALP expel the three indigenous MLAs who crossed the floor? That is how it usually works with labor. An a.l.p upper house member copped that, in tassie, recently.</p>
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		<title>By: Back from Borroloola &#171;</title>
		<link>http://www.matjjin-nehen.com/2007/05/04/mcarthur-river-bill-passes-17-to-5/comment-page-1/#comment-225</link>
		<dc:creator>Back from Borroloola &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2007 02:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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